Every few years, the IT industry settles on a new savior. Agile. Then DevOps. Now AI. The pattern, as Kaimar Karu sees it, is that organizations adopt each one without first knowing what they want from it, and then act surprised when the results don’t live up to the hype. In this episode of Roman Jouravlev’s Conversations with Giants series, Kaimar covers the iron curtain still sitting between ITIL and DevOps, why the ITIL guiding principles are a net rather than a recipe, why AI should never be the goal in itself, and the skills technology won’t easily replace.